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Saturday, February 16, 2013

Delirium Discussion Post [Chapters 8-14]



Hello and WELCOME to DELIRIUM READ-A-LONG's SECOND DISCUSSION POST!

Thank you to all who have signed up for our second Read-A-Long this year, I hope you guys enjoyed reading Divergent with us and are having just as much (or more!) fun with Delirium! Today we'll be discussing chapters 8-14 of Delirium!

In case you missed it, the first discussion post for Delirium was hosted by Rachelia over at Bookish Comforts, you can find it HERE <- click!

Before we move on to the discussion questions Rachelia and I have prepared for you, here's a quick re-cap of what happened!

Chapters 8-14 RECAP:

- Lena catches Hana listening to illegal music streamed from an illegal website. .Hana explains how she found out about the website and that there is more than one out there. She tells Lena about the people who write about the cure and the government- people who don't agree with the cure. She seems very excited about her discovery. Lena is very uncomfortable, scared and worried. She freaks out and accuses Hana of being reckless and putting her life in danger.

- Later that night, Lena is lying in bed and thinking about what happen. Her thoughts drift to a memory from when she was just a little kid and she hurt herself while riding a bike. Her mom lifted her to her feet, held her tight in her arms and told her everything will be OK. A woman passing by told her mom that she "should be ashamed of herself". After that her mom made sure to never display any emotions in public.

- After giving it some thought, Lena decides to go to the party. She sneaks out, hops on her bike and makes her way to Roaring Book Farms. There she sees a crowd of uncureds, both boys and girls laughing, dancing,  drinking alcohol, having fun. She finds Hana and is introduced to her friend, Drew.

- As she is about to leave the party, Lena runs into Alex. He explains that he is there to listen to the music. When Lena tells him that he is doing something illegal, Alex shrugs and says: "Nobody's hurting anybody." When Lena tries to ask him about the incident on Evaluation Day, Alex sticks tells her it was just a mix up, and he was only there to get a coffee. He also tells her that he saw her before the Evaluation Day, running past the Governor anymore, and that he even left a note for here there. The dance and agree to meet again tomorrow.

- Lena and Alex meet on the beach. Lena opens up and tells Alex about her mom, how she died and how that made her feel. They race, laugh and for the first time Lena is truly happy and worry-free.

- Alex confesses that he was never cured. He also says that he came from the Wilds. Lena panics and runs away.

- We learn more about Lena's sister, Rachel, how she fell in love with Thomas and had to be forced to be cured. We also learn now both Rachel and Thomas were successfully cured and they're now both married. The couples even meet sometimes, making polite small-talks, not remembering anything about their tragic pasts.

- The days that follow are foggy. Lena is doing her best to make sure she didn't contract the deliria from Alex. She is evaluated and scores a high score of 8. She is matched with Brian Scharff.

- Lena runs into Hana, they talk briefly and part on not-so-good terms.

- On the night when Hana attends an illegal party there is a raid. Lena decides she has to do anything it takes to warn Hana and the party attendees. She sneaks out of the house after midnight. On her way to the party she stumbles upon Riley (the neighbors' dog). The dog, badly beaten by the raid officers, passes away.

- Lena is too late. Shortly after her arrival at the location of the party, the place is raided. Lena's leg is badly wounded, but thanks to Alex she manages to escape.



     "Most things, even the greatest movements on earth, have their beginnings in something small. An earthquake that shatters a city might begin with a tremor, a tremble, a breath. Music begins with vibration. The flood that rushed into Portland twenty years ago after nearly two months of straight rain, that hurled up beyond the labs and damaged more than a thousand houses, swept up tires and trash bags and old, smelly shoes and floated them through the streets like prizes, that left a thin film of green mold behind, a stench of rotting and decay that didn't go away for months, behan with a trickle of water, no wider than a finger, lapping up into the docks.
      And God created the whole universe from an atom no bigger than a thought.
     Grace's life fell apart because of a single word: sympathizer. My world exploded because of a different word: suicide.
     Correction: That was the first time my world exploded.
     The second time my world exploded, it was also because of a word. A word that worked its way out of my throat and danced onto and out of my lips before I could think about it, or stop it.
     The question was: Will you meet me tomorrow?     And the word was: Yes."
"I'd never understood how Hana could lie so often and so easily. But just like anything else, lying becomes easier the more you do it."
 "Sometimes I feel like if you just watch things, just sit still and let the world exist in front of you - sometimes I swear just for a second time freezes and the world pauses in its tilt. Just for a second. And if you somehow found a way to live in that second, then you would live forever."

Now, onto the discussion!

1) Lena says she is looking forward to the cure because it is a "chance to be reborn: newer, fresher, better". Although we don't have "the cure" can you relate to Lena? 

2) What events do you think shaped Lena's world view? Why do you think she is so eager to accept the cure and be rid from love once and for all? 

3) Music plays an important part in these chapters -- when Lena goes to the party in the field she experiences been swept up by the unauthorized music and it moves her. Have you ever had a similar experience? If you were to make a Delirium playlist what songs would you include?

4) Carol said that believing in Invalids living in the Wild is similar to believing in werewolves or vampires, make-believe stuff, but then we learned that Alex is from the Wild. What do you think is really out there? 

5) We learned a bit more about the society Lena lives in, particularly about the cure and the often violent raids. What do you think about the worldbuilding in Delirium after reading chapters 8-14? Why do the raids have to be so violent and humiliating? 

6) Which particular event do you think caused a breakthrough in Lena's perception of the political system and cure? When do you think she first started having doubts? What affected her the most? 

These are all the questions we have for you today! Please leave your answers in the comments below. Feel free to break them apart (1 comment per 1 answer!), or omit the questions you do not feel like answering! I am looking forward to discussing Delirium with you guys! 

Meanwhile, happy reading and remember Discussion Post for CHAPTERS 15-21 will be posted over @Bookish Comforts! 


Discussion Schedule for FebruaryDelirium by Lauren Oliver
  • 2/17: Chapters 8-14 (hosted @ Bookish)
  • 2/27: Chapters 22-27 (hosted by @ Bookish)
Wrap-up:
  • 2/28: Favorite quotes and moments, reflections, review and a place for YOU to link up your review/thoughts! (posted at @ Bookish and @ Bookish Comforts)


Great news for you guys! I just heard back from the lovely Harper Collins and we've got a prize to share with the participants!!! And guess what?!?! You can win a copy of the last book in the DELIRIUM Trilogy, Requiem!!!
This contest is open INTERNATIONALLY - Harper Collins can only ship within US, but if an International participant wins, I will ship the book to them personally!

You know what to do?! Tweet your thoughts, pictures with Delirium, favorite quotes etc with the #TBRRaL hashtag and you're entered to WIN! :) 

18 comments:

rivie bleu said...

1. Can I relate to her? As in would I want the cure? No, I was telling Nova @ Musings of a Blogder, I agree with Lady Antebellum "Guess I'd rather hurt than feel nothing at all". Love is not a disease, (now I'm going to quote Adele) "sometimes it lasts in love but sometimes it hurts instead". It doesn't mean I want a cure, I may have thought about it when I first read it in the book but I wouldn't want that in real life.


2. I actually thought about this. She still has feelings, does she want 'the cure' so bad so she can stop feeling the way she does? Trying to erase everything that has happened to her?


3. I'm not good with playlists and choosing songs, I guess I'll have to skip this one.


4. I think they're normal people but they live in poverty since everyone trapped in the states believes they're dangerous.


5. I'm assuming all grown ups are 'cured' so I don't think they get to choose, they're monsters, they don't have feelings. They don' see that what their doing is wrong.


6. Probably when she saw them kill the dog and that no one did anything about it, not even the owners.

rivie bleu said...

5.
They don't see that what they're doing is wrong.
I'm guessing no one stops it because the parents don't care.

Sarah Elizabeth said...

1) Lena says she is looking forward to the cure because it is a "chance to be reborn: newer, fresher, better". Although we don't have "the cure" can you relate to Lena?
I can totally understand her wanting a change, or wanting a better life. She is so restricted by what she is allowed to do or say, it's a wonder she hasn't gone mad. I can't imagine living in a world where even your parents don't love you, so I can see why she would want to stop missing this.

Sarah Elizabeth said...

2) What events do you think shaped Lena's world view? Why do you think she is so eager to accept the cure and be rid from love once and for all?
I think what happened with her mother has affected her most of all. I'm still a little surprised that she wants the cure though considering that her sister was so different after they did it to her. A gain though, it can't be easy to live without love. It may be preferrable to be cured and not miss love and affection any more.

Sarah Elizabeth said...

3) Music plays an important part in these chapters -- when Lena goes to the party in the field she experiences been swept up by the unauthorized music and it moves her. Have you ever had a similar experience? If you were to make a Delirium playlist what songs would you include?
Totally. I have no idea what songs I'd put in playlist though! Maybe 'Zombie' by the cranberries owuld be fitting - 'In your head, they are fighting'

Sarah Elizabeth said...

4) Carol said that believing in Invalids living in the Wild is similar to believing in werewolves or vampires, make-believe stuff, but then we learned that Alex is from the Wild. What do you think is really out there?
Communities of the uncured. It's ridiculous to say that believing in invalids is like believing in vampires. They know that invalids were there to be exiled, they didn't exile any vampires.

Sarah Elizabeth said...

5) We learned a bit more about the society Lena lives in, particularly about the cure and the often violent raids. What do you think about the worldbuilding in Delirium after reading chapters 8-14? Why do the raids have to be so violent and humiliating?
The raids are seriously brutal and disgusting. Talk about overkill. The only thing you can assume is that the government must be seriously worried about the invalids or they wouldn't respond so harshly. This should give them hope.

Sarah Elizabeth said...

6) Which particular event do you think caused a breakthrough in Lena's perception of the political system and cure? When do you think she first started having doubts? What affected her the most?
Alex kissing her to seemed to have the biggest effect! I think finally feeling emotions similar to love woke Lena up. It's a shame it didn't happen sooner!

Sarah Elizabeth said...

http://sarahelizabethsbookshelf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/delirium-read-long-week-2.html

Martina Koleva said...

1. Lena says she is looking forward to the cure because it is a "chance to be reborn: newer, fresher, better". Although we don't have "the cure" can you relate to Lena?

- Lena's had a tough time when she was little, loosing her mother and then what happened to Rachel. She believes in the cure because that's the 'right' and only way to go in her world. That's why I think that some people can relate to her. If you had a tough life and a chance to forget all about it and start clean wouldn't you be tempted to take it?

2. What events do you think shaped Lena's world view? Why do you think she is so eager to accept the cure and be rid from love once and for all?

-I think she's eager to take the cure, mainly because of her mother. she saw what it did to her in the end and she was scared that she's going to end up like that. And to top that, she is raised to believe that she needs the cure to lead a normal life and she doesn't know anything else.

3. Music plays an important part in these chapters -- when Lena goes to the party in the field she experiences been swept up by the unauthorized music and it moves her. Have you ever had a similar experience? If you were to make a Delirium playlist what songs would you include?

-I haven't had a similar experience. Or at least I don't think I have. As for the playlist, I've never been good at making playlists. I make my playlist according to the mood I'm in and not the book I'm reading..

4. Carol said that believing in Invalids living in the Wild is similar to believing in werewolves or vampires, make-believe stuff, but then we learned that Alex is from the Wild. What do you think is really out there?

- I already know what's out there because I've read the book but when I first read it I expected it to be.. well I expected little camps maybe, groups of people that have learned to survive with what they've got. Something like the cast of The Walking Dead...

5. We learned a bit more about the society Lena lives in, particularly about the cure and the often violent raids. What do you think about the world-building in Delirium after reading chapters 8-14? Why do the raids have to be so violent and humiliating?

-Oh I just love the world that Lauren Oliver has created. I find it very fascinating and I enjoyed reading about it. As for the raids.. I guess it a way to keep control over everyone in the world. Fear is a very efficient method to control people.

6. Which particular event do you think caused a breakthrough in Lena's perception of the political system and cure? When do you think she first started having doubts? What affected her the most?

I think it was the little burst of violent acts from the guards, the moments she stole away with Alex, the memories with her mother. At some point it all became too much and she broke through the haze.

My post will be up this Tuesday and this should be the link: [here]

Haraiah said...

1) Lena says she is looking forward to the cure because it is a "chance to be reborn: newer, fresher, better". Although we don't have "the cure" can you relate to Lena?
-In a way, I understand Lena's eagerness for the cure especially with the kind of past she had and the pain it brought her in the present. I think alot of people can relate to it although I can't begin to imagine myself without love no matter how painful it is or how broken it made me. “You can't be happy unless you're unhappy sometimes.” Same as with pain, I guess. You can't ever be out of pain if you haven't experienced it in the first place. It's not always perfect in love.

Haraiah said...

2) What events do you think shaped Lena's world view? Why do you think she is so eager to accept the cure and be rid from love once and for all?
-Her mother most definitely. She witnessed how it affected her mother and her sister and at that time she still didn't understand. When she finally did, I think it felt worse.

Haraiah said...

3) Music plays an important part in these chapters -- when Lena goes to the party in the field she experiences been swept up by the unauthorized music and it moves her. Have you ever had a similar experience? If you were to make a Delirium playlist what songs would you include?
-I've always been moved by music. In fact, it's one of the things I can't live without. As for the playlist, I haven't really thought about what song I'd associate with it. Hmm. 'Just Give Me A Reason' by Pink is definitely one I'd include.

"Just give me a reason
Just a little bit's enough
Just a second we're not broken just bent
And we can learn to love again
It's in the stars
It's been written in the scars on our hearts
That we're not broken just bent
And we can learn to love again"

Haraiah said...

4) Carol said that believing in Invalids living in the Wild is similar to believing in werewolves or vampires, make-believe stuff, but then we learned that Alex is from the Wild. What do you think is really out there?
-A scattered community of Invalids who live not as organized or settled since obviously, they are cut-off from the society which means they have very limited resources.

Haraiah said...

5) We learned a bit more about the society Lena lives in, particularly about the cure and the often violent raids. What do you think about the worldbuilding in Delirium after reading chapters 8-14? Why do the raids have to be so violent and humiliating?
-At first, I really thought a society like that is supposed to be peaceful so I was really surprised to learn about the raids which turned out to be so ruthless and harsh! It is absolutely terrifying which is probably the government's point in order to maintain the people's fear of breaking their rules.

Haraiah said...

6) Which particular event do you think caused a breakthrough in Lena's perception of the political system and cure? When do you think she first started having doubts? What affected her the most?
-Meeting and then knowing and falling for Alex. Lena knows deep down of what it feels like to love but she was clouded by what happened to her mother and then her aunt and the government's warnings about the disease. She sees and knows everything there is to know about the system and the cure, in a way. But at that time, she does not realize the truth in it yet. So Alex was the trigger.

Haraiah said...

My discussion post was posted here:
http://haraiah.blogspot.com/2013/02/delirium-read-long-discussion-post-2.html

Faye (Daydreaming_Star) said...

1. In a way, because the one thing many people wish for is to be lifted from the burden of pain, especially pain from our histories. But it is also something that is unnatural and therefore something I wouldn't want. Our past experiences shape who we are, and the future that we will live. It just wouldn't be right to take that away from us.

2. I would definitely say that her mother would be a large one. But also her sister, and Grace. She has seen the way life can supposedly be better, and the pain that we can go through beforehand. She is fed up of her pain, her love has never helped her, only tormented her so why would she want to stick with it?

6. I want to say the Evaluations, but I think it actually is probably something that started happening before the book begins. Maybe from all the horrible things going on with sympathisers, or the other girls in her class who have been caught with boys. Sub-consciously, she's been seeing all of the terror of her society and she's deciding that she doesn't want to float through life any more.

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